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bootyos's avatar

Neat article and very enlightening in places! I'm a hobbyist at best when it comes to mythology in general, but I am a moderate fan of Type-Moon's (FGO's Publisher) works in general, and would like to offer a few defenses for their myriad bastardizations of the myths presented. I don't aim to undermine or contradict anything in the article, I just hope to provide more in the way of understanding two years later.

For one instance, many iterations of a servant in FGO depend as much on their public persona as any measure of historical or academic fact. Napoleon is as much an incarnation of his armies as he is of the emperor, Sherlock Holmes and James Moriarty are decidedly fictional but nonetheless appear as servants just as presently as figures of confirmed mythology do, Caenis manifests in a feminine body - his wish of immunity to SA being interpreted as being powerful enough to stop it from happening. Their own figures are not immune to this mind you, Minamoto no Raikou - one of the foundational historical figures of what would become modern Japan - manifests as a large breasted woman in an extremely skin-tight violet bodysuit with an extreme mommy complex as excused by some of his dealings with a cow ogre.

In defense of his feminine form, Venus (the goddess, not the planet,) is a giant space-faring sentient robot who perished shortly after Gigantomachia, and other Greek gods also did much to influence other cultures. For instance Mars' body fragmented along Japan and the metal of his body is used in the armor of Sakata Kintoki. Fate plays fast and loose with mythology, so sometimes you get a kooky blonde lucha fanatic and a silly mafia daughter in a jaguar kigurumi as your culture's only representation.

Once again, not offering excuses, just hoping to better explain why their interpretations are the way that they are.

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ayochill's avatar

I love the Fate universe but I'm basically onboard with this entirely.

Fun note: Different artists handle the design of the characters, some of which are partnered with Lasengle or work directly in the studio. With that said, they clearly don't fabricate character lore with the intent appeal to a ethnic culture, just the sweaty, angry, unempathetic, simpy culture who dislike having their waifus scrutinized. (One of them felt the need to make 4 posts about it lol, guess boi got triggered bad). I'm sure the controversy was brought up, but somebody in charge was like "nah". I think we all know it comes down to money. A fair or dark skinned version of Quetzalcoatl might drive away parts of their audience who they deem the most profitable..but who knows?

But I think it's important to remember as a Japanese studio, in Japan, a monoculture country, they likely don't care about proper ethnocultural representation, unless it's something more relatable to them. Shinchiro Watanbe is a perfect example of an artist who doesn't run a ship like this, which is (one of the many reasons) why his work is so well received across different audiences.

This was a great though, I'm glad somebody took time to dissect this. It's a shame the first comments where from people just looking to be upset about something.

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